Re: Re: AI FARMING. WHAT DID YOU LOOK LIKE IN THE 90S
By: fusion to MRO on Mon Mar 23 2026 05:08:00

So there's this new thing that's happening on social media. People with a
lot of followers are posting videos "mom what did you look like in the
90s'. Celebs are even doing it. People are saying it's for Ai to farm
data so they can do facial recognition And age progression. I'm sure
it's happening someplace.

yep.. people are basically "working" for free in various ways now on social media. doing surveys, telling their parents eye colors and hair colors and other things to say "hey look how i turned out!" .. they have to make the census compulsory because people hate doing bullshit for free and then they give away all sorts of stuff online..

same with discord.. which is likely the source of an AI model for guessing people's ages based on how they talk, what about, their interests, etc. and you can pretty much guarantee it also has a nice little graph about whether people "think incorrectly" ..

even on here, likely owing to the prevalence of that sync web interface, any link i post is immediately scraped by AI .. which obviously means the whole message was.. they all were.

I think it boils down to the fact that we need a way to identify ourselves anonymously as human beings. Otherwise, it is impossible to tell whether someone is an AI agent or a real person. And if we want to keep AIs out of websites or other online systems, we need this ability to identify ourselves digitally, anonymously and verifiably as unique human beings.

What do you think of world.org as a potential solution to this very fundamental issue?

And if you don like this solution, how do we solve the problem of being able to identify ourselves anonymously in future as unique living human beings, whilst ensuring full protection of personal data?

Mindsurfer

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** On Monday 23.03.26 - 12:49, Mindsurfer wrote to fusion:

What do you think of world.org as a potential solution to this very fundamental issue?

It seems to be yet another form of ID collection.

What's to guarantee that there isn't another person using your name and claiming to be the authentic version? It seems that the world.org only takes the face and the eyes.

And, since the end result is "digital" data, what's to prevent that from being faked?

How can you be sure that no one can "steal" your identity by using a photo for the registration process?


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Re: AI FARMING. WHAT DID
By: Ogg to Mindsurfer on Mon Mar 23 2026 17:35:00

What do you think of world.org as a potential solution to this very
fundamental issue?

It seems to be yet another form of ID collection.

What's to guarantee that there isn't another person using your name and claiming to be the authentic version? It seems that the world.org only takes the face and the eyes.

And, since the end result is "digital" data, what's to prevent that from being faked?

How can you be sure that no one can "steal" your identity by using a photo for the registration process?

1. "What's to guarantee that there isn't another person using your name?" Actually, World ID does not use names at all. It is not a "Name-based ID."

Proof of Personhood: The system only verifies that you are a unique human, not who you are. There is no field for "Name," "Address," or "Date of Birth" in the protocol.

The Uniqueness Check: When someone scans their iris, the Orb creates a mathematical "Iris Code." If another person tried to register as "you," they couldn't, because their iris pattern is different. If they tried to use your iris, they would need your physical presence at the Orb (see the photo/fake section below).

2. "Since the end result is 'digital' data, what's to prevent that from being faked?"

This is where Zero-Knowledge Proofs (ZKPs) and Cryptography come in.

The Iris Hash: The Orb doesn't just save a picture of your eye. It converts the pattern into a one-way mathematical code (a hash). You cannot reverse-engineer this code to recreate an image of an eye.

Zero-Knowledge Proofs: When you use your World ID to log into a service, you don't send your biometric data. Instead, the protocol sends a cryptographic proof that says: "I have a valid, unique iris code in the database, but I am not showing you which one it is." Because it is backed by blockchain technology, this proof cannot be forged or "doubled."

3. "How can you be sure no one can 'steal' your identity by using a photo?"
The Orb is specifically engineered to prevent "spoofing" (fake inputs).

Liveness Detection: The Orb uses a suite of sensors, including infrared cameras, 3D sensors, and thermal imaging. It checks for a pulse, the reaction of the pupil to light, and the three-dimensional structure of the eye.

High-Resolution Detail: A standard photo or even a high-resolution screen does not have the depth or the multi-spectral signature of a living human eye. The AI models running on the Orb are trained to instantly distinguish between a high-res print/screen and real human tissue.



World isn't trying to collect your 'Identity' (Who you are); it is verifying your 'Humanness' (That you are a real, unique person). It designed so that you can prove you are a human online without ever having to reveal your name or personal details to the apps you use.

https://whitepaper.world.org/


I understand the criticism levelled at systems like World.org, but I also realise that with AI we have opened Pandora box, and we need a way to identify ourselves as unique individuals in the digital realm when dealing with data-processing systems.

I am open to hearing and accepting a better solution. At the moment, it seems to me that only World.org has a functioning system that still protects the user privacy 100%.

Mindsurfer

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Re: AI FARMING. WHAT DID
By: Mindsurfer to MRO on Tue Mar 24 2026 01:32 pm

In the age of AI and deepfakes, photos are easily forged or stolen. The Orb uses multi-spectral sensors and infrared to ensure it is looking at a
hairy) would be rejected instantly because it lacks a pulse, 3D depth, and pupil response.

This is why we don't need it, and don't want it. It saves everything, don't let things fool you. These responses seem like they were made by AI even..

compare it. This is exactly what World avoids. The Orb deletes the biometric image immediately after creating a mathematical hash (the Iris Code). When verifying later, a user sends a Zero-Knowledge Proof (ZKP). The receiver confirms "this is a unique human," but never sees the source data or the "file."

Nothing is deleted. What do you think all the server infrastructure is being built for? Amongst other things, like global subscriptions and everything without being able to own a computer to play some latest games, or even browse the web sort of..get my drift?

Mindsurfer

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Re: AI FARMING. WHAT DID
By: Darklord to MRO on Wed Mar 25 2026 05:17:00

Proof of Personhood: The system only verifies that you are a unique human,
not who you are. There is no field for "Name," "Address," or "Date of
Birth" in the protocol.

I'm sure they surely don't do that, only unintentionally.. They actually do a lot more than that.

The Uniqueness Check: When someone scans their iris, the Orb creates a
mathematical "Iris Code." If another person tried to register as "you,"
they couldn't, because their iris pattern is different. If they tried to
use your iris, they would need your physical presence at the Orb (see the
Mindsurfer

Ooh my favorite part actually. That is where plucking peoples eyeballs out becomes a thing as seen in the movies. Actually don't know what this Orb is you speak of but it doesn't sound good.

It is a bit ironic to claim that a system "does a lot more" than advertised while simultaneously admitting in the next paragraph that you don't actually know what the hardware is.

To address your concerns with actual technical facts rather than movie tropes:

The "Eyeball Plucking" Myth: This only works in movies like "Minority Report." In the real world, the Orb uses high-end Liveness Detection. It checks for a pulse, blood flow, thermal heat signatures, and pupillary light reflexes. A detached eye is dead tissue; it doesn't react to light and has no blood pressure. The sensors would flag it as "non-living material" instantly. Physical presence of a living human is a hard requirement.

"They surely do more": The World protocol is built on open-source code and has been audited by specialized security firms (like Trail of Bits). The goal of a decentralized protocol is "Verify, don't trust." You don't have to guess what it does; you can look at the audits and the documentation.

Unintentional Data Collection: The hardware is designed to perform "Edge Computing." The biometric processing happens on the device itself, and the raw image is deleted by default. What remains is a mathematical representation (the hash) that cannot be reversed to recreate an image of an eye.

Mindsurfer

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Re: AI FARMING. WHAT DID
By: Darklord to Mindsurfer on Wed Mar 25 2026 05:31:01

In the age of AI and deepfakes, photos are easily forged or stolen. The Orb
uses multi-spectral sensors and infrared to ensure it is looking at a
hairy) would be rejected instantly because it lacks a pulse, 3D depth, and
pupil response.

This is why we don't need it, and don't want it. It saves everything, don't let things fool you. These responses seem like they were made by AI even..

compare it. This is exactly what World avoids. The Orb deletes the
biometric image immediately after creating a mathematical hash (the Iris
Code). When verifying later, a user sends a Zero-Knowledge Proof (ZKP). The
receiver confirms "this is a unique human," but never sees the source data
or the "file."

Nothing is deleted. What do you think all the server infrastructure is being built for? Amongst other things, like global subscriptions and everything without being able to own a computer to play some latest games, or even browse the web sort of..get my drift?

I don't think you quite understand the purpose of World.org. It is specifically about the problems caused by AI, whether you find that ridiculous or not.
As a human being, sooner or later you'll face the problem of identifying yourself as such. In a way that's tamper-proof and without revealing personal information. What's wrong with that, for a start?

If you acknowledge that we're hurtling towards such problems at breakneck speed, you must also acknowledge that we need a solution for them...

What would be your solution for authenticating yourself to data-processing systems whilst maintaining your privacy? How do you intend to prove in future that you are not an AI?

Mindsurfer

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